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 I dont have one and I know I refuse to conform to Vista. 

How can (some of) you hate VISTA that much?

I'll say it again for the umpteenth time: I've been using it since it was released early last year and I can't find a thing wrong with it-- no errors, no instabilities, no program incompatibilities, all my games work, never had a problem with my sound card being killed (I have the Creative Fatal1ty, BTW.) and I find it more convenient than XP in some cases.  Heck, I even love the gadget bar.

Heck, I've even installed Vista on other freinds' PCs and it works just fine.   Granted, that "Always asking permission" is a pain in the a$$, but that can be turned off. Honest, peeps, running VISTA feels no different than running XP.

Still, I can't help but wonder if half the reason why you feel like that is because your friends said so, or your friends don't like it because of what they read.  Well, if I spent half my life listening to what my friends say I wouldn't be getting any where in life, now would I?

I could understand if you belong to some major corporation and need to have VISTA running as a network, I will agree VISTA does suck.  As for DRMs and all that, I'll say it again: I can find nothing wrong using the OS-- and the times are changing.  We gotta go with the flow.  

No, I'm not a Bill Gates disciple--- even I am pi$$ed off with the way they're folding XP.  But after trying the OS myself for over a year now if I truly found it sucking trust me I'd be the first one to tell ya.  But again, I honestly don't see it.

So dudes, if need be, buy the program-- don't fear it or hate it.  It works.  What I like best about VISTA is that I don't need to install cumbersome drivers anymore like I did for XP.  I install it, and its al there-- it actually cuts hours off my time.

--TT

Dude, if I did nothing but eff around on the internet with my PC, I'd be able to do it without problem running the horrid obsolete WindowsME, FFS.  When you actually do use the machine for more than browsing, let us know if it's still trouble free.

 

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hemulator

Dude, if I did nothing but eff around on the internet with my PC, I'd be able to do it without problem running the horrid obsolete WindowsME, FFS. 

When you actually do use the machine for more than browsing, let us know if it's still trouble free.

Done.

I use Photoshop,Illustrator, Autocad, MS word, scan pics, use drawing pad and pen, does well for word processing and doing Excel.   Like I said, it works for all my games, no hardware issues-- heck I even put this puppy on a DELL that's years old and worked like a charm.

To repeat, I've had NO problems.

It's trouble free-- at least, for the consumer.  Corporation wise, yah, VISTA doth suck.  It's security features suck-- that's why businesses wanna stick with XP.  And, let's face it, good as VISTA is, it's no better than having XP, that's why people don't want to spend the $$ and upgrade.  Other times, people listen to what they're friends say, or what they read, without trying the software for themselves.  I don't know how many times I've had to convince people there's nothing wrong with it-- they finally try it, and they like it.

But I still say it is wrong for Microsoft to discontinue XP just because VISTA sucks in sales and they wanna force us to upgrade.  If people like XP then they should keep support a while longer and fix VISTA, IMHO.  But they don't want to, and if they want to turn the world into VISTA-land, well what are we gonna do?   Right now, all the store PCs are running VISTA-- VISTA is everywhere.

--TT

The problem is that people liked XP just fine and didn't want to "upgrade" to Vista, which, as you said, sucks from the corporation perspective... so now they have warehouses full of unsold Vista and they need to clear it out before Windows 7 comes out in a couple of years, then they'll be forcing us to upgrade again. Nothing wrong with Windows 2000... I used it just fine until I had to upgrade 2 years ago and went with XP. It works fine with all my programs too. So why the upgrading for the sake of upgrading? Like hemulator says, "FFS!".

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So you admit to never using anything Vista's horrid DRM will affect, or anything where sound quality would matter?  Will you also, then, admit that if your PC were running XP, the performance and response times would also be 10% - 25% faster? 

 

Why in hell would you try to convince anyone to endure the horrors of Vista?  Especially when you seem to know it is no better and in many cases worse than XP.  Is this some sort of "misery loves company" thing?

I've been plugged into a personal computer since I got a C-64 in '85 and doing IT contracting/support since '95.  I would say that your experience of
"no problems" is shared by about 10% of Vista users I've supported / spoken to.  They are all on the "light / single use" end of the PC scale, YMMV.

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hemulator

Eh, the indigestion will be worth it.

 ...then they'll be forcing us to upgrade again.

And that pees me off: Why do they force us to upgrade when we don't want to?  The fact is PCs are changing and evolving all the time, so they got to make an OS to keep up with it-- but what if we don't want to buy that faster PC?  What if we just don't need, or plain don't have the $$?  What if our old PC breaks and we can't fix it cuz the parts are ancient?  Then Gates says "Tuff-tittiies, you want to keep going, you have to buy a new computer, and you have to buy my VISTA.  More $$ for me and Poo poo on you."

Why can't they just have basic support for all the Windows family?  I know people that are still happy running their 386s-- if you can believe it. They're happy.  Geez, what corporate scum...

--TT

 

So you admit to never using anything Vista's horrid DRM will affect, or anything where sound quality would matter? 

DRM-- Digital rights media.  Pleas specify.  My music MP3s sound just fine, even under Winamp.  Sound is great-- no popping, good quality.

But I will admit that CREATIVE had a helluva time coming out with the drivers... and yea, there was crying and gnashing of teeth cuz other people experienced problems-- but I've heard the same song and dance since Windows 3.11.   There's always issues out there...

Will you also, then, admit that if your PC were running XP, the performance and response times would also be 10% - 25% faster? 

 

I'm running duo core, and in many cases the speed is about the same.  I suffered no loss in speed.  Though I was disappointed that things didn't run much faster in Vista when I left XP.  Eh, what can ya do?

 

Why in hell would you try to convince anyone to endure the horrors of Vista?  Especially when you seem to know it is no better and in many cases worse than XP.  Is this some sort of "misery loves company" thing?

But I'm not enduring any horrors in Vista.

All I'm trying to say is that Vista is not that bad of a program-- it works just as well as XP, and that IMO I can find nothing wrong with it.  That's all.   Ya wanna stick with XP, cool-- true, it's no better than XP at times but that's not the issue... just that it works, and is trouble free from a consumer standpoint. 

 

I've been plugged into a personal computer since I got a C-64 in '85 and doing IT contracting/support since '95.  I would say that your experience of
"no problems" is shared by about 10% of Vista users I've supported / spoken to.  They are all on the "light / single use" end of the PC scale, YMMV.

I would hardly call my use on the PC "light".   I've played enough with Vista to know that if it were really that horrid, I'd let you all know in a heartbeat.  But really, I've installed/tested it on many PCs and it works just fine.  It does what it's supposed to do.  And in most cases, that what light/single use customers are looking for. 

--TT

Digital Rights Management.

Try watching a DVD. 

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hemulator

Try watching a DVD.

No problem there-- runs even better with PowerDVD 7.3 and 5.1 surround sound.

Even better now that I'm using an HD video card.

--TT

I'm sorry, but I'm going to take my personal experience / exposure over your anecdotal "It works fine."

And I'm sure you know that if it works "fine" in Vista it then would work "perfectly" under XP.

 

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hemulator

I'm sorry, but I'm going to take my personal experience / exposure over your anecdotal "It works fine."

It's not anecdotal-- but from my personal experience.

I wouldn't be spouting off anything about Vista if I hadn't tried it.  And I'm not saying that Vista is that great of a program and that everyone should go out and buy it.  But again I am saying that having used and worked with it I can find nothing wrong with it-- that's why I'm questioning against why people "hate" or "refuse to conform to it" with my $0.02.

And I'm sure you know that if it works "fine" in Vista it then would work "perfectly" under XP.

Even XP has issues-- heck everything out there has issues.  That's why ATI comes out with new video card drivers every month.  Nothing is perfect.  Vista is liveable, nothing  more, nothing less.

--TT

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It's not anecdotal-- but from my personal experience.

I wouldn't be spouting off anything about Vista if I hadn't tried it.  And I'm not saying that Vista is that great of a program and that everyone should go out and buy it.  But again I am saying that having used and worked with it I can find nothing wrong with it-- that's why I'm questioning against why people "hate" or "refuse to conform to it" with my $0.02.

What I'm saying is that my experience / exposure tells me that your experience is in the 10% of users range.

What I'm questioning is why you are so vested in its defense to people who have found something wrong with it.

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hemulator

What I'm questioning is why you are so vested in its defense to people who have found something wrong with it.

Are we destined to go in circles about this, or what?

Dude, I'm only defending the notion that having used it, found nothing wrong with it.  As for the people that have found something wrong it, I'm sorry to hear it.  But as I recall, when XP came out we had the "same sh*t, different OS" syndrome.  I've heard horror stories from people unable to install XP on their computer, calling it a pain in the a$$.   And we'll go through it again when Windows 7 comes out, etc. etc. etc.

Half the time I experience those (not from this board) that have hated this program without trying it, based on what they read/heard-- that's all I'm saying.  Give it a chance, it's not that bad.  And if ya did, and still don't like it, there's always XP.  I could ask why you are so vested as to why I'm coming in Vista's defense.   Uh, let's not go there...

Once again... Vista is not the greatest program in the world.  I'm only defending that it works, my $0.02 to those that 'hate' it, or are conservative to try because of what they read/heard.

Moving right along... XP SP3 is due out next month.  Read it here. 

--TT

I do not like viral marketing or promotion of bad products.  Whether you find anything wrong with Vista or not, the majority of the IT professional world says / knows it is bad software.  Each person you convince is one more sale and justification of the "revenues are slowing, lets make everyone think they have to upgrade so we can sell more bloatware" model.

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hemulator

I do not like viral marketing or promotion of bad products. 

You don't have to worry-- I don't work for MS.

And I'm in no way promoting Vista-- heck, I don't think it's all that great.  But it does work.  That's about it...

 

Whether you find anything wrong with Vista or not, the majority of the IT professional world says / knows it is bad software. 

Bad or not, MS is forcing people to Vista.  Heck, I don't like that either.

I could probably dig up articles on Google that say it isn't.  Either way... who gives a s---!  

In the end, it's all up to the consumer.  Buy it or not, the decision is yours.

 

Each person you convince is one more sale and justification of the "revenues are slowing, lets make everyone think they have to upgrade so we can sell more bloatware" model.

LOL, you don't seem to like that-- well, there's nothing I can do.  And I've said repeatedly here that you can do whatever you want.

People that decide they want Vista because of me really doesn't add up to anything-- all I'm saying (yet again) is that I tried it, and found nothing wrong with it.    IT professionals be damned-- that's all FUTURESHOP/BEST BUY/ STAPLES have on the shelves.  And in about 6 months people that want to build a PC and install Windows won't have a choice.  It's gotta be bloatware.

--TT