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Rico74:

The one thing that I admire about this series is that so much is left up to interpretation and point of view. We each capture different aspects and undertones from each episode. So many strings are left hanging. We are left to draw our own conclusions until the writers tie some up. Keeps us guessing. Keeps things fresh.

We don't have to go back to the first episode to the scene at Baltar's house, because they do a little recap for us in Season 2 Ep 18: Downloaded. There's no doubt that the house that Baltar and Six were in was destroyed in the nuclear attacks, D'Anna states so when Six is ressurected. The blast was enough to kill Six, so how would Baltar be spared - Six sheilding him just isn't enough. In this episode Six is ressurected and now Baltar is her hallucination. Is this perhaps part of her new programming? You can't say she's gone mad, because she hasn't had time to - he manifests to her seconds after her ressurection.

I think there is room for one more established character to be revealed and it looks like the writers are taking us there by having Baltar obsess over the final five Cylon models - he's been doing this for that last several episodes. He's the only human obsessed with the notion he may be a Cylon. Throughout the series, Balter has questioned himself, suspected himself of being a Cylon - even to the point of having Doc Connel perform a brain scan. I think it would be fascinating to see where the writers decide to take the Balter character if and when he is revealed to be a Cylon.

Look forward to it!!

I've had a couple more days to mull this over...maybe Baltar would be too obvious to be a Cylon...of course, the fact that he's not sure of it himself is no indication. When the Sharon sleeper model "awakened", she was in a state of disbelief that she wasn't human...but I digress. Looking at it from the other point of view, it certainly would detract from his character to be Cylon now...it's like he's looking for a "cop-out" for his behaviour...if he can blame it on his being a Cylon, that would be the easy way out. To find out that he's 100% human means there IS a tragic flaw in his character that may not be as easy for his mind to accept. Until he knows for certain...until "we" know for certain...speculation is all that can be done.

But something did happen to him, I believe, to make him different. Other people survived the attack on Caprica, but not because someone - or some..."thing" (trying my best Capt. Kirk) - stood in front of a nuclear blast to protect them. Even if they were at the edge of the blast, the radiation would have been lethal and Baltar would be showing some effects of radiation poisoning by now. (I don't recall his being treated for it, but if anyone remembers seeing it, please enlighten me.)

Even if, as Kitane said, he didn't die, but somehow became mentally intermingled with his Six model (as opposed to physically intermingled ), it still doesn't quite add up how Baltar's body would survive that kind of force/radiation at the range depicted in the mini. I'm not a physicist by any stretch...and it IS just a TV show after all...but, still...it doesn't seem consistant with the little I know about nuclear blasts. The Cylons were supposed to be trying to eliminate all human life on Caprica...while they didn't succeed, they would have been using the most devastating weapons they had. I guess my point is: If the blast was powerful enough to kill Six, Baltar shouldn't be in much better shape.

Anywho, that's my two cents' worth...I'll let the dead horse be.

 

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"Valley of Darkness": always thought an explanation would surface why Tigh knows cylon tactics. Has one? Is this the Tigh Cylon theory? Also: we foresaw great flashback episodes this season - but to the original wars. Not Days of our lives et al. We want to see Adama's dying commander saying to him "Don't ever allow a networked computerized system to be installed on this ship while you are in command".

nsideen:

"Valley of Darkness": always thought an explanation would surface why Tigh knows cylon tactics.

He has knowledge gained through experience from the first Cylon war. 

Conel Tigh would probably have been Child in the first Cylon war. Did the mini-series not say that it had been over 40 years since humans saw the last cylon? If so that would put Tigh in mid 60s Though  I suppose he could be 68 years old and still got about 5 or so years experience dealing with the Cylons.

Or a year isn't the same as ours. Maybe year for colonies was based on say 250 days or something. I mean they had 12 colonies on different planets which all would have orbit a Sun in different intervals than what the planet Earth does. So  40 years Caprica time might say 28 years Earth time.
 

What I think killed Caprica Six was the glass window as it shattered from the blast. If you watch the mini-series again you see the glass breaks but the house is still standing. So my guess is Caprica Six got a back full of shattered sheet glass and that killed here. Baltar then left the area and got off the planet before any significant effects of radiation poisoning would show. As well he was on Galatica and it would have been trivial to get treated, not something needed to be shown in the show.

Here's a theory of what the missing 5 Cylons might be and how it could be that Baltar is a Cylon or part cylon.

In creating the flesh job Cylons the Cylons may have had a hand or did themselves. Maybe a human helped them out, maybe that human was a relative of Baltar's. Now maybe attempts were made early on to procreate between Cylons and maybe that process was problematic to the those that tried. Maybe it screwed them up and they had to be put away. Suppose that those Cylons managed to produce offspring and one or more survived. Then consider that maybe the one that survived was Baltar. Then to really twist things up suppose that Six was a surviving member of the 3 pairs of Cylons that attempted to produce offspring at that some how Six was less affected than the others. This then could be the reason that Caprica Six is in Baltar's head and the reason Baltar is in Caprica Six's head as she would be his mother sort of except she would have been reborn a number of times. So in a twist sort of way it would be like having sex with you mother and sister all rolled up into one.

voska:

Conel Tigh would probably have been Child in the first Cylon war. Did the mini-series not say that it had been over 40 years since humans saw the last cylon? If so that would put Tigh in mid 60s Though  I suppose he could be 68 years old and still got about 5 or so years experience dealing with the Cylons.

Early in the series and/or the miniseries, it was revealed that both Adama and Tigh had served as Viper pilots in the first Cylon war.  Their ages were not given, as I recall, yet they need only be in their early sixties to have served in that war.  If they were 68 years in the series' present, they could have had 10 years of service in that war, which is unneccesarily long for the series' purpose, so I would say early 60s. 

Also, as fleet officers, every battle of the war would be required study, so Tigh would have gained knowledge of Cylon tactics from officer training.  We could also acknowledge he has good judgment, and is simply good at his job when he  isn't drinking. 

I am sticking to Tom Zarek as a sleeper Cylon. The fact that he has too much 'history' as a dissident does not dissuade me and he still fits the bill nicely although the fact that the character does not appear too often in episodes casts some doubt in my mind as less of a shocker if revealed. 

thybrid:

I am sticking to Tom Zarek as a sleeper Cylon. The fact that he has too much 'history' as a dissident does not dissuade me and he still fits the bill nicely although the fact that the character does not appear too often in episodes casts some doubt in my mind as less of a shocker if revealed. 

Anything is possible.  But, there are three other reasons I do not think Zarek is a Cylon:

(1) On New Caprica, then vice-president Zarek was removed from office and put in a Cylon run jail by Baltar for not signing off on new occupation policies administered by the Cylons.  I do not believe Zarek as a Cylon would have dissented to those policies or the Cylons allow him to be sent to prison.  Admittedly, there is no actual footage in the show of him being there - just references to it.  However, I think point #2 validates this

(2) On New Caprica, Zarek is sent along with Roslin to be executed by Cylon Centurions.  It is there he explains to Laura what happened to him.  If it was not for the resistance, he would have been executed for no plausible reason (in the case he did turn out to be a Cylon that could resurrect).

(3) After the exodus off of New Caprica, then president Zarek issued and signed the executive order to 'disappear' former human Cylon collaborators. Very unCylon-like.

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The debate about the next uncovered Cylon should settle a little after watching a clip from the video blog from a convention on the sci-fi website. This is as close a link as I could get - http://www.scifi.com/pulse/ hit any bsg video and then chose from the battlestar galactica list of videos the one titled "Comic-Con Panel 2006". Be prepared , it's 38 minutes in length, but very amusing and enlightening. I'm not sure when this convention took place, but I would guess it was during the summer perhaps beginning of fall since the teaser trailers for season 3 were well known and plot outlines were also known to the public, so I'm guessing shooting was done and it was approaching the start of season 3. James Callis in answering a question from an audience member concerning Gauis' demise reveals by accident (or not), that when the Cylons come on board and begin ruling New Caprica he says, and I quote: "Gauis Baltar no matter about his position is a human being or thinks he's a human being... at the moment(in a deep voice), and therefore in his heart is a member of the resistance even though he's kind of this totem for human loathing." If you want to hear this clip, just forward to the 11-minute mark. I realize there have probably been suspicions about Baltar being a Cylon floating around for quite some time, but it almost seems too fluid in James' explanation to deliberately slide that in to tease existing rumors or suspicions. I think James slipped and realized what he uttered and danced around that notion. Check it out and hear it for yourself and post a reply. Maybe I'm looking too hard...don't know... but I'll keep looking.

I have to agree with the Gaeta theory.  My GF and I were watching a program on Discovery the other night (SEEING AS THE WAS NO BSG), and I was remined of a few things from school.  Gaeta is a town in Italy very near Rome, there was a Roman Emperor named Geta (pronouced Gaeta).  Geta was murdered by Centurions by order of his Brother whom he shared the empire with.  Some say he was in his mothers arms when it happened.  Take into consideration that in BSG much of the human culture contains references to Greek mythology and much of the Cylon culture contains references to the Romans...  That would be a cool way to kill off Gaeta (at least the Galactica copy), have him murdered in the arms of a Six by a Brother Cavil.

Telemachus:

Although I should clarify that I believe the "Cylon God" to merely be a self aware intelligence, and not much more.

 

Or maybe even more specifically the first self aware intelligence derived from the first machine race. But if that's the case, the timeline of the "First Five" confuses me because all of this was supposed to have happened before (the old series?) And if this has all happened before could we then conclude that humans and Cylons have also interbred before? If so, then does that mean that after generations of interbreeding there is no distinction anymore between Human and Cylon? If that is the case then my answer would be that everyone is a Cylon and the majority of them have just forgotten.

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(Galactica bathroom wall graffiti) Frak me like the dirty socialator that I am..

I like the Idea that Roslin is a skin-job, that she the leader of the Final Five/Cylons.  It'd be a nice symetry, leading both sides at the same time.  And it was pretty darn convienient that she was the only secretary to escape from the intitial attack and thereby become President of the colonies.  It'd be easy to quickly convince people that you're the Secretary of Education...and then whoopsies, it seems no one else above you in the governent survives the attack?  Very convenient.

And I always found her combination of moral high ground and visciousness very Cylon-esque.

 
Unfortunately there's one thing that keeps Laura from being a Cylon...she almost died of cancer.  Crap.

 

Then my second-best guess would have to be Starbuck.  For reasons others have mentioned.  She got the Raider to work in hours, when her buddies back on Galactica were all scratching their heads for days.  That and in a conversation with Helo back on Caprica, when they drop by her old apartment, Helo says to her "I thought you traveled a lot with your Mom" and she gets kinda defensive and flustered in her response.  Who know's maybe she really gave Zack Adama his wings because he wouldn't say that he Loved her (something Cylons seem to be obsessed about) and she wanted him to die?  That and the whole Eye of Jupiter thing.

 

The one thing that keeps getting to me when I try to figure out who the unrevealed skin-job is, is what D'anna said when she had that "vision" and saw the final five in the temple of Jupiter.  She recognised a face, and apologised saying "I had no idea..." 

SO ask yourselves this (I know I have been) who did D'anna interact with, and treat badly??

Something to ponder.
 

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Dee is a Cylon. Leoben told Roslin that "Adama is a Cylon." Leoben messes with your head but there is always a grain of profitic truth to his claims. He could have very well been taking about a future Adama. Dee is now an Adama. When 3 interviewed Dee, Dee said that she was estranged from her family which all perished in the attack. She has no confirmed history. 3 met Dee but 3 may not have recognized Dee as a deep sleeper, hence 3's "forgive me I had no idea."  The leader of the final five may also be a member of the leading family of the fleet (the Adamas). Dee also sent the wrong jump coordinates to the Olympic Carrier which resurfaced as a potential suicide vessel. Even Sleepers have a tendency to commit acts which put the fleet in danger. Is it merely by chance that she always happens to be involved with people in the know - Billy (Government inner circle) and Lee (Military inner circle)?

An Adama, No Known Family History, Met 3, always conveniently close to people in the know Billy (the President's chief of staff) and Lee (the Fleet Commander's son), and had at least one action that endangered the fleet. Dee is a Cylon.

 

I don't think Dee is a cylon just because it wouldn't be that powerful emotionally for her to be one.  Her character is not vital to the show, and I'm not sure what they could do with her if she was a cylon.  I think it's going to be one of the main characters we have known all this time, Laura and Tigh being the top two contenders in my book.

That being said, if it means Starbuck returning I would love for her to be one of the final five.  If she is killed off for good, I will be so pissed off...all of that destiny and eye of jupiter crap just for her death?  It's hard to believe the writers would go to that much trouble just to kill her off in the end.  She could come back as a human, or maybe some kind of hybrid, who knows.  We still don't know anything about her father.

Anyways I can't wait for the next 3 episodes and will be missing next week's which sucks...
 

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