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I have to say, I agree about Baltar and Starbuck not being Cylons, and Cmdr Adama and Roslin being too central and integral to have their identities altered like that.

Gaeta is looking a little too fishy to be a Cylon. They will probably play with that idea, however, and do a little bait-and-switch with him.

When Leobon said Adama is a Cylon, we immediately thought he meant William. But it would make more sense if it was Lee, both as a story and in his character arc.

I do, however, think that the second batch of cylons is different than the first 7, but I am dead curious to find out how they are different and who would make D'anna fall to her knees like that.
 

 

Well for two of your theories

1) D'anna saw the five and said sorry to one, so she must of dealt with this person/cylon Tigh> anderson> p the fifth?

My guess is Tigh as he was in detention and the tourcher as well as missing an eye. I think sghe only met Anderson once in the garage, but could be mistalem.

As for LEE being sa cylon, Leobon said Adam was a cylon remeber the first 7 where known to each other the last five wheren't so he may of been lying or just guessing.

As for them being different we know the first 4 make cylons can't get a woman pergenet, yet Tyol got Cally pergrenet.

I'm not sure who the last cylon is but I'm guessing we won't know probally until; one of the last 5 EP.

pxlprncss:

When Leobon said Adama is a Cylon, we immediately thought he meant William. But it would make more sense if it was Lee, both as a story and in his character arc.

Y'know... what if Lee Adama is part Cylon? But it's not a trait he inherited from his father... maybe his mother - Bill's wife - was a Cylon...

Of course, there would have been a lot of forethought & intricate planning on the Cylons' part for that to happen... deliberately letting the Galactica survive the attack on the Colonies just so the Adamas could lead humanity to whatever fate awaits them. Then putting enough human models in close proximity to the command levels so they could influence the decision-making processes.

Another possibility is the events depicted in "Razor" didn't happen quite the way Bill Adama relates them... they could be implanted memories and Leoben was right when he told the Prez the senior Adama was a Cylon. Wouldn't it be a kicker if both Tigh and Adama's memories were implanted and neither of them knows the other is a Cylon? We've seen enough flashbacks from Tigh's perspective about Bill Adama getting him back in the fleet... how much flashback have we seen from Adama's perspective on that same time?

DBash:

pxlprncss:

When Leobon said Adama is a Cylon, we immediately thought he meant William. But it would make more sense if it was Lee, both as a story and in his character arc.

Y'know... what if Lee Adama is part Cylon? But it's not a trait he inherited from his father... maybe his mother - Bill's wife - was a Cylon...

Of course, there would have been a lot of forethought & intricate planning on the Cylons' part for that to happen... deliberately letting the Galactica survive the attack on the Colonies just so the Adamas could lead humanity to whatever fate awaits them. Then putting enough human models in close proximity to the command levels so they could influence the decision-making processes.

Another possibility is the events depicted in "Razor" didn't happen quite the way Bill Adama relates them... they could be implanted memories and Leoben was right when he told the Prez the senior Adama was a Cylon. Wouldn't it be a kicker if both Tigh and Adama's memories were implanted and neither of them knows the other is a Cylon? We've seen enough flashbacks from Tigh's perspective about Bill Adama getting him back in the fleet... how much flashback have we seen from Adama's perspective on that same time?

When Leoben said Adama was a Cylon ... I took it as being a classic case of misdirection for the Prez and the audience. For this to be the Golden Egg of revelations would leave me disappointed as a fan ... something this series has failed to do up to this point. This show has had a lot of twists , but can anyone recall when the firing squad was being formed if any of the four revealed were in the group that was about to be shot? Could be more of a case of who wasn't there than who was . ... something to do with destiny and the final 5 have that.

urlyriser:

When Leoben said Adama was a Cylon ... I took it as being a classic case of misdirection for the Prez and the audience. For this to be the Golden Egg of revelations would leave me disappointed as a fan

I agree, urly... I would be disappointed too. I'm just trying to figure a way that either Adama could be a Cylon... but maybe, despite appearances to the contrary, Leoben wasn't lying in that instance when he whispered to the President about Commander Adama's possible Cylon heritage. At the time, no one would believe it - either the viewing audience or the characters - because it was too shocking to even consider. But what if he was telling the truth...?

If Tigh can be one - and he supposedly has history with Bill Adama - then why couldn't the Admiral? The dramatic implications of that would stir a lot of people up... but isn't that what makes good drama? Provided it's done well, it would be a "mind-frak", sure ... no one would see it coming.

At this point, there were a lot of positive and negative responses to the last four Cylons' identities being revealed. Would it be any different if the final one was William Adama?

DBash:

urlyriser:

When Leoben said Adama was a Cylon ... I took it as being a classic case of misdirection for the Prez and the audience. For this to be the Golden Egg of revelations would leave me disappointed as a fan

I agree, urly... I would be disappointed too. I'm just trying to figure a way that either Adama could be a Cylon... but maybe, despite appearances to the contrary, Leoben wasn't lying in that instance when he whispered to the President about Commander Adama's possible Cylon heritage. At the time, no one would believe it - either the viewing audience or the characters - because it was too shocking to even consider. But what if he was telling the truth...?

If Tigh can be one - and he supposedly has history with Bill Adama - then why couldn't the Admiral? The dramatic implications of that would stir a lot of people up... but isn't that what makes good drama? Provided it's done well, it would be a "mind-frak", sure ... no one would see it coming.

At this point, there were a lot of positive and negative responses to the last four Cylons' identities being revealed. Would it be any different if the final one was William Adama?

Leoben has a huge history of lying  ... especially to Starbuck about the child being their's etc. ... so that is why I figure he is lying about the Adama thing.  One thing that has me wondering about Tigh being a Cylon. Taking into account his age, and he ain't no spring chicken, so my guess is late 50's early 60's at what point was he originally created and how long has he been in the service. If Tigh has been in the military for 30 years and the Cylons had disappeared for 40 years ,then they must have already been able to perfect their human making technology, especially since the first hybrid was being created during the first war. So ... it would seem the Cylons already had there plan in action a long time ago and how is it that 4 of the final 5 ,well at this point anyway, would end up being on the Galactica at this particular point in time ? Someone, maybe the 5th Cylon, is controlling the direction that both humans and Cylons are taking .  ... anyway at this point I plead the 5th so as not to incriminate myself ... maybe it's Baltar's lawyer. Remember he stated something to the effect that he was " Born to do this case "  ... and I wonder how long he could  have known Lee's grandfather when Bill mentions no recollection of this guy. And again there is the huge odds factor that this guy would have survived the attack let alone be around to defend Baltar.     ... sorry ... just more fodder

Interesting Hypothesis. But I'm going to lay my chips on Helo. I just caught the last 7 mins of the past rebroadcast on Space on Sunday evening.

-Helo mentioned the "feeling" of change is about to arrive, a storm is coming...he was sensing it.(How could he? is he the 5th cylon?)

- From the original miniseries episode, when both Helo and the original sharon are repairing the raptor on earth, and civilians are racing to their position. Helo spots Baltar and immediately gives up his seat. Wow, what were the chances of that happening?

- When the Cylon virus was discovered, Helo was against the complete destruction of the Virus, and he really made sure that the Galactica never got a chance to use the virus against them.
(ps-Remember, Lee really wanted them them dead, so did Bill. So rules them completely out as being Cylon. My opinion)

-As well, Helo is in a perfect position as XO to really make sure that they travel the necessary path...

- But what about Helo and Sharons baby you say, guess what, first 100% cylon child! Yeah!

My 2 frakking cents.
 

Regarding Helo... at this point, it's possible for any of the remaining characters to be Cylon. The final Cylon might not even be one of the more well-known ones, but one of the lesser characters, such as Doc Cottle.

For anyone who hasn't read the "spoiler" link in one of the other threads, apparently the writers' strike gave Moore, Eick and company the chance to re-write the ending that they had in mind for the show (I don't consider this a spoiler), so it literally could be anyone. Where suspicion was thrown upon a character in the past, such as Gaeta, the writers have now had a chance to look at the material and change it from what it was just a few months back. Supposedly...

Maybe this info too is a ruse... to keep people guessing. But I digress...

I don't believe Helo is a Cylon for the main reason that Six-in-the-Head told Baltar that Hera was to be the "first" of a new race of human/Cylon hybrids. This could be a delusion because, as it turns out, Tyrol and Cally's kid is also a hybrid. If the Chief is indeed a Cylon and has not, as someone mentioned in another post or thread, been brainwashed into believing he is (along with Tigh, Anders...), then Baltar's Six is not as reliable or clairvoyant as she has appeared at times in the past.

Which calls Baltar's seemingly miraculous insights into question as well. Was it luck, intuition... divine intervention... that allowed Baltar to come up with answers on topics that he shouldn't have known anything about, thereby repeatedly saving his skin?

So, if Baltar has some gift of foresight, then why can't Helo? I don't take it as a sign that he's a Cylon because he senses change on the horizon... anyone who is insightful and pays attention to what's happening around him/her could make a similar statement and not have it mean that they're not human.

It appeared to me that Helo saw Baltar on Caprica completely by chance... if it wasn't just some fluke, if some Cylon programming tuned him in to Baltar's presence, then the whole story arc of Helo/Sharon's baby and the importance of Hera just makes no sense. Again, it appeared to me that Helo's motivation for not using the virus against the Cylons was to protect Sharon... but this could have been a trick as well. I'm remembering Brother Cavill telling the Chief in the 2nd season that he was a Cylon and the reaction from that revelation... to have the other "lover"of the Valerii model be Cylon too just throws Helo's adventures on Caprica before Starbuck returned to get the Arrow of Apollo out the window.

One other thing... Helo is not XO anymore... I think Tigh got his position back after Pegasus was destroyed.

Again, my thoughts are Helo = human... screwed up, yes... but human, nonetheless. Like Starbuck... whatever she is, I don't think she's gonna be the Final one either...

Someone has probably suggested it in here already (haven't re-read the whole thread), but I'll throw in my 2 cents for Zak Adama- imagine what a mind-frak that would be for Admiral Adama, Starbuck, and Lee.  And it would throw a nice sense of symmetry into the loop, the show started with Starbuck trying to atone for what she did to Zak, and if he is a cylon.....there is a lot of "Kara Thrace and Her Special Destiny" potential in there.

I don't think that it's Roslin, Adama, Starbuck, Baltar, Helo, or Cally- I'm buying the half-human/half-cylon babies bit, and the other four are far more interesting if they're not cylons. Lee is a possibility- he was my prediction last season, but I'm leaning away from that now, I think there might be more story possibilities if Zak is, so I'm sticking with that one this season.  ;)

Not to mention that it would make Leoben's statement from "Flesh and Blood" true in a twisted way no one would have predicted, and not just one of his usual mind-fraks.
 

TrekGirl42:

Someone has probably suggested it in here already (haven't re-read the whole thread), but I'll throw in my 2 cents for Zak Adama- imagine what a mind-frak that would be for Admiral Adama, Starbuck, and Lee.  And it would throw a nice sense of symmetry into the loop, the show started with Starbuck trying to atone for what she did to Zak, and if he is a cylon.....there is a lot of "Kara Thrace and Her Special Destiny" potential in there.

I don't think that it's Roslin, Adama, Starbuck, Baltar, Helo, or Cally- I'm buying the half-human/half-cylon babies bit, and the other four are far more interesting if they're not cylons. Lee is a possibility- he was my prediction last season, but I'm leaning away from that now, I think there might be more story possibilities if Zak is, so I'm sticking with that one this season.  ;)

Not to mention that it would make Leoben's statement from "Flesh and Blood" true in a twisted way no one would have predicted, and not just one of his usual mind-fraks.
 

Gotta admit sometimes I have wondered about the Zak thing also. He may not actually be Adama's son but carry his name. Yes  Momma may have had an affair of the Cylon kind ... possibly with ... ready ... Tigh. Notice Tigh and Helen never had any children and that point was never really mentioned in their personal conflicts, though Helen's drinking and constant affairs may have been because she felt betrayed at some earlier time by Tigh.   It would explain the no baby situation between her and Tigh. Afterall Helen's appetite for sex would have left no doubt that she at least tried.

I do not usually post to this forum but after reading quite a few posts I thought I'd throw my own little thoughts in here.  How did the hybrid in Razor, towards the end of the show, know about Kara Thrace?

It makes you think when they keep repeating "this has happened before and will happen again"...the “human” Cylons not only have the ability to reincarnate but to also remember their previous experiences.  In a sense, this allows them to manipulate destiny quite well by learning over and over from their previous mistakes.

 And finally...I recall that the "human" Cylons submerse their hands in some sort of liquid in order to perform certain tasks.  Think back when Adama encountered the prisoners who were being experimented on...he did not see much of anything but for some reason felt compelled to put his hand in the hybrids container...it was only then that he could see/hear what had happened.  These visions did not stop until he pulled his hand out.  Interesting...

Danod:

How did the hybrid in Razor, towards the end of the show, know about Kara Thrace?

Danod, on that point... how did Leoben know who Kara Thrace/Starbuck was already upon their first meeting? He knew about her "special destiny" then... he was the one who told her she was supposed to have one. If one Cylon knows about her, then it would be safe to assume they all do.

Out of the main characters left who have not been revealed as Cylons, I'm having a hard time focusing on one in particular who could be the "Final". Dualla is my fave right now, but I look at what "evidence" has been thrown at us since day one and it could be anyone. Bill Adama seems unlikely... however, his account of events described in "Razor" when he landed on the planet and found the Cylon lab, freighter survivors, etc., could be another red herring... maybe, as I stated before, the memories were implanted. I remember both Tyrol and the Sharon model challenging their Cylon status previously by stating where they were born, who their parents were, blah, blah, blah, and it turned out both were machines.

Tigh and Adama go way back and supposedly fought together in the first Cylon war. Tigh seemed unlikely to be a Cylon, yet here he is revealed as one. The Admiral had two sons, Lee & Zak, but who ever said they were his biologically...? Maybe they were both adopted because Bill, as a Cylon, supposedly could not reproduce. It seems that little obstacle has been fixed with Hera and son of the Chief & Cally (can't remember his name), but how is it only recently overcome? What special circumstances arose that allowed those two couples (one parent Cylon) to have children and they couldn't previously?

When Starbuck went back to Caprica and found the "breeding farms" the Cylons had set up... supposedly, Cylons couldn't reproduce like humans at that point, so maybe if Bill Adama is a Cylon, Lee & Zak were adopted...?

I think, in the upcoming season, one of the characters is going to have a "retcon" in order to be revealed as the final Cylon... Tigh's & Tyrol's reveals in particular make me think that, if they can be Cylon, then Bill Adama is a good possibility too, as is the President. LOL! No one is safe.

Here's a potential kick in the pants:

What if a Young Bill Adama found the Cylon 'Human' experiment - but never made it out alive?  What if he was captured and made the 1st of the new
breed of Cylons?  What if the real Bill Adama died in that room and the rest of Bill's story is an implant?

I mean, it'd be cold and cruel for Adama to be the one, but it'd be one *bleep* of a twist, especially to see him, in those final moments, leading them all to their
doom.  What if, somehow, the Colony re-found that old place, stumbled upon it and the twisted, dessicated corpse of young Adama?  Maybe still strapped to the table...?

That's about as much of an 'oh *hit' moment as you're likely to get.

BCLaraby:

Here's a potential kick in the pants:

What if a Young Bill Adama found the Cylon 'Human' experiment - but never made it out alive?  What if he was captured and made the 1st of the new
breed of Cylons?  What if the real Bill Adama died in that room and the rest of Bill's story is an implant?

That's a possibility too... that the human models are based on real human templates, who were killed after the experiments were a success. It would make their integration back into human society that much easier too, since they would have real families and friends who may not even notice that their loved ones weren't human anymore...

In that case, Lee & Zak could be biological sons of Bill, but the senior Adama was replaced with a Cylon duplicate carrying all of the original's memories sometime after they were born.

At no time has it ever been mentioned on the show whether the human models were based on real people or not, so that could be revealed in the upcoming season...

I believe that Ron Moore has stated in Season 1 interviews that there is no human model of Sharon. That we should not believe that there was a human template for these skinjobs.

 I got this quote from http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Number_Eight

Ron D. Moore stated in an interview for TheFandom.com, "There is no original human Sharon. The idea is not that there was likely an original human model that they were copied from. The idea was that these models of Cylon were sort of developed out of their own study of us. The Cylons on some level looked at humanity and said 'You know what? There's really only 12 of you.' If these are the 12, and sort of if you look at them they each represent different archetypes of what humanity is."